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What are the kids asking this week?
All answers by Paul Sereno

October 30:

Susan Lesher's 5th grade class
The University of Chicago Laboratory Schools
Chicago. IL

  1. What do you think the world would be like if dinosaurs had survived?

    Answer:
    If many groups of dinosaurs did not go extinct, I think that our world would be quite different today. Large mammals probably would not have evolved-perhaps including large primates like ourselves. It is clear that mammals evolved to large body sizes only after the dinosaurs went extinct. Of course, there were many ecological crises (that is, bad wreather and hard times) during the mammal era - like the ice ages. It is not clear that all, or most, of the dinosaurs would also have survived these trying times.

  2. Is there anything we can learn about extinct animals that will help us to prevent other animals from becoming extinct in the future? How does it help us to learn about creatures that lived more than 90 million years ago?

    Answer:

    The most important things that we learn with fossils and the rocks in which they are buried is the things that we can't learn from living animals - like, how big can a land animal get? Or, how long does a species tend to last? Or, what events are responsible for extinction? Regarding extinction, we really don't know exactly why most species have gone extinct, because the likely factors (disease, famine, bad weather) are usually not preserved. But we can say, sometimes, why the big extinction events occurred. Clearly, an asteroid played a big role in the extinction of the last dinosaurs, and the advance of the glaciers and human hunting clearly played the biggest roles in the extinction of many large animals several thousand years ago. There is no way to prepare in advance for an asteroid impact, although they are so rare that we don't have to worry about it now. We need to keep wild areas as big as possible and our pollution of the environment as low as possible if we expect many animals alive to today to be here tomorrow.

  3. Did dinosaurs have eyelids and eyelashes?

    Answer:
    Well, yes and no. Eyelids that move up and down like ours with eyelashes are found only in mammals. Remember that mammals, unlike birds, reptiles or dinosaurs, have hair, and that includes eyelashes. Also, our eyelids are also characteristic of mammals. They are very talented - we can wink, squeeze our eye tightly shut, or go bug-eyed. Your dog, typically, has no problems raising one eyebrow and eyelid. Reptiles, and we presume dinosaurs, were different. Some reptiles have a thin membrane that moves sideways over the eyeball. Others can close their eyes but have eye flaps rather than folding eyelids. I am sure that some dinosaurs had similar eyelids to those we find in reptiles today and others had no eyelids at all.

  4. If you found a dinosaur with one or more bones missing, would you rather take the same type of bone from another dinosaur of the same species to replace the missing ones, or make fake bones?

    Answer:

    We never make a fake (that is, sculpted) bone for a missing bone with no idea of what the missing bone would look like. Here is my wish list when I have a missing bone - from best case to worst: Best to find the missing bone in a second individual of the same species that is also the same size; that way, you simply add the bone to the skeleton. Next best is to find the missing bone in another individual of the same species of different size (for example, a juvenile); that way, all you need to do is change the size of the bone but not its shape. Third best, is when you find the missing bone in a closely related species - say a bone of Allosaurus for a missing bone of Tyrannosaurus. Worst is when you need to make a bone based on only a distant relative. That way, you are least sure of what the missing bone looked like.

  5. What do you give back to the communities where you are digging? What do you share with them? Have you ever had any serious problems with the people who live where you are working?

    Answer:
    The nomads who live in the areas where we are working now know about dinosaurs and know about our work. We just finished making a small dinosaur park just outside the oasis of Marandet, where tourists can visit to see the bones of the giant Jobaria in place. These are spectacular to see at the foot of the big desert cliff right next to fossilized tree trunks. The nomads from the town will function as guides for visitors, and we prepared a guidebook for them with the history of the area and the kinds of fossils one can see there. We were all thrilled that our research could result in such a great development for the people of the area. At the same time, we made several scientific discoveries in the beds that we worked that we will be reconstructing over the next two years.

  6. With regard to the small dinosaur found by Chris: is it the thickness of the bones that leads you to the conclusion that it is the smallest dinosaur discovered as opposed to a young, dinosaur "child"? Also, without finding the head, how do you determine if it is a meat eater or a plant eater?

    Answer:
    We still may have the head, if it was tucked under! Probably we will be able to determine quickly whether it ate plants or not if we can determine in which main group of dinosaurs it belongs. Of course, it given its small size, it may have been an omnivore, like some birds that pick at seeds but also snatch small lizards. We know that it is not juvenile, because several of the bones in the skeleton that fuse together when an animal is mature are solidly fused. Did you know that some of your bones are just now fusing in fifth grade?

  7. Do you think we'll ever know what colors the dinosaurs were?

    Answer:
    I never like to say "never", but it seems very unlikely that we will know the color of dinosaurs. In a few rare cases (shells, insects), color has been preserved in the fossil record. But with dinosaurs, we are extra lucky when we get an impression of the skin. However, I think it is fair to say that some were brightly colored, given their horns and frills.

Sondra Hufferd's 7th grade Social Science and Language Arts Classes
Washington Jr. High - Naperville, IL

  1. How does the knowledge gained from paleontology change or improve an average person's daily life?

    Answer:
    Paleontology gives us an appreciation for the fourth dimension -- time. It teaches us that the world that we know best is not the only one and will not last forever. It shows us the grandeur of life over time and all that has once existed. It stretches our imaginations, and causes us to wonder. More personally, paleontology has been able to trace our own origins, and let us know where we came from. I think that a world of three dimensions - that is, a world without real change or direction - would be so boring. As humans, we have only come to understand the great sweep of time and see how tiny our place is in the scheme of things over the last two centuries. Fossils played an important role in achieving that understanding.
  1. Who funds paleontology research? Do you receive all your money from the University of Chicago? Do you get any other college, state, federal, or private funds?

    Answer:
    Funding for this work comes from National Geographic, science foundations and interested individuals. The University pays for my salary but not for projects like expeditions. For that, we need to find several sources and convince them that we will be successful in the field, and follow this discovery phase with good science. I also think that it is important to engage the public in our findings by writing popular articles, reconstructing our best discoveries, and making announcements that interest students and their parents. This is important because we are more and more living in an age where science is influencing our lives, and we need to be sure that our students find science as exciting as it really is.

  2. Which presidential candidate do each of you like better - Al Gore or George W. Bush? Can you absentee vote from Niger on November 7?

    Answer:
    We were able to vote absentee while in Niger, but needed to vote more than one month ago. I cannot say exactly how the team voted - and let's not forget, there is a third candidate, Mr. Nader. I know that many of us, including myself, feel very strongly about education and health care, and feel that these two critical areas be funded in a way that allows access to all. Many of us live in the city of Chicago, and like many American cities and towns, there is a lot of room for improvement on those two fronts. Although we are the richest nation in the world, it is easy to see that we need to do more for those that do not have enough in our country. Niger, by contrast, is one of the poorest nations in the world. They have elected a popular president who has broad interests - including paleontology - and is trying to ease the problems of the country.

  3. Will you be returning to Fako in the future? Have you been looking for any new dig sites? Do you think you will ever be excavating in Asia or Antarctica?

    Answer:
    We pretty much finished Fako last time, but we have been looking in the area for new sites. The area is very large, and so we have spent many days driving and then searching for new sites. Our best site so far is near the village of Marandet, some 30 miles from Fako. Regarding Asia and Antarctica, YES! Asia is a distinct possibility in the future - the Gobi Desert of Mongolia still has many places to search. I would like to go to Antarctica, but that is a little harder to plan. AND, I doubt I will like the cold as much as the heat we have here.

  4. From the "Dinosaur Giants: Found!" video, it seemed like the team would be better off working after dark when it's much cooler. Did you bring any lights so that you could dig at night?

    Answer:
    Digging at night is not really a possibility. We did bring solar lights, but these do not provide nearly enough light for excavation. You really need full sunlight, because the work is so exact. You need to see the first chip of bone if you are working around a skeleton and nick it. Sometimes you need to see teeth not much larger than the head of a pin. Other times you need to see cracks, or how glue is affecting a joint. You need lots of light before you swing a pick. So it's really not practical.

  5. This question is for Paul: Mr. Taylor is still teaching at Washington Junior High. Ever since we started studying your career and work, he has been telling us about you as a student. What we want to know is - do you remember the hangers that you gave to him one Christmas? He says he still uses them!

    Answer:
    I remember very well Mr. Taylor, and yes I remember the hangers. I have fond memories of doing a large folding poster illustrating a Shakespeare play. I loved art and I got to love reading Shakespeare. I wasn't always the most inspired student then, and so Mr. Taylor's class was a real bright spot for me. His class was a lot of fun. So, I am delighted that he is still teaching. Please pass on my best regards to him. I have kept the poster all of these years. I have also been contacted by Ms. Williams, my fifth grade teacher at Naper School. She lives in Florida now.

Janet Ferry's 4th grade class
Perry Elementary, Belvidere, IL

  1. What were the last dinosaurs alive in Africa? What species were they? Why were they the last?

    Answer:
    We know very little about the last dinosaurs on Africa before the great extinction, 65 million years ago. That's because the only place that you can find them so far is in Egypt, and the bones are very fragmentary. One is a long-necked dinosaur called Aegyptosaurus, known from a few vertebrae. However, at 90 million years ago, we have a better idea. From these beds we found the giant predator Carcharodontosaurus and its cousin, the quick-footed predator Deltadromeus. This level also is where bones of Spinosaurus were found, as well as the bones of a long-necked dinosaur called Rebbachisaurus. These dinosaurs are probably similar to those at the end of the dinosaur era on Africa, but we will probably never know these last African dinosaurs as well as we know our own - Tyrannosaurus and Triceratops.

  2. We know that working as a team can sometimes be difficult. Have you had any problems working together? If so, how did you work it out? Did you talk about teamwork before you left Chicago?

    Answer:
    Well, I did more than talk about teamwork before we left, I wrote a long memo to all team members stressing the things that are important on the trip. But most important is the morning meetings - 6:30am sharp. That's where we talk about the plan for the day, suggest improvements, air any complaints, and make any necessary adjustments. The team has worked very smoothly this year. That's because more than half of the team have been on previous expeditions, and because the other half have turned out to be exceptional. David, the undergraduate, the doctor Tim - it's as if they are pros on their first expedition. Being a good team member means, first and foremost, thinking about the other guy. Doing those little things because you notice something needs to get done. It has been a nearly flawless field season

  3. How high is the highest sand dune you've encountered? How high was the "slip and slide" sand dune and why did you choose it? Also, how deep did Hans sink when he was walking up the sand dune?

    Answer:
    That dune was one of the highest in the area - about 100 feet tall. We picked that sand dune because it had a very steep face on one side and was near our water supply. Hans sunk in a little while walking up the dune. But in general, the dunes have been relatively hard in this area. Some you can drive over without sinking. Others you sink immediately if you try to drive over them. Driving over dunes is a dangerous business, because you don't know when the other side is better for a slip and slide than a truck! By the way, I noticed some little pink marks on Hans' arms today - healing, but fond, memories of "slip and slide" day.

  4. Does Niger have an elected president and how are their laws made? Explain if any laws have affected the expedition.

    Answer:
    You bet on both counts. Niger just elected President Tandja for a five year term by a landslide margin. We met him twice already, and will have the chance to meet him several times before we leave in the capitol city Niamey. Indeed, a law about which government body regulates fossils and how fossils should be regulated was passed in 1997, just after our field season. Niger has one of the best fossil laws on the books - in fact, better than our own. In the USA, if you find a Tyrannosaurus skull in your back yard, you can sell it for money, or just break it into a million pieces with a hammer. It's your choice. In Niger, all fossils belong to the people of the country, and all work on fossils must be approved by an agency in charge of regulating research. That way, no fossils are sold, no fossils disappear, and no fossils are broken by people that don't have any experience working with them.

  5. Do you work in one big team in one spot or do you split up into separate teams? If you do, how do you decide who works where and where does Dr. Lyman go? Do you have problem sharing tools and supplies?

    Answer:

    We most often work as a single team when we are prospecting in big open areas/ For this kind of job, you move as quickly as you can, dispersing into an area so that you are not walking near anyone else. Doc Tim does the same; just because he knows how to fix our bones doesn't mean that he doesn't love finding dinosaur bones! At other times, we work in groups, especially when excavating or collecting bones. The teams and what we plan to do are all discussed in the breakfast meeting and, if necessary, at lunch. This year we have plenty of tools. So the only problem is to remember to pack enough of them in the truck before leaving!

  6. (alternate question) We know the Sahara was once jungle-like. What caused the change in the environment? When and over how much time did this happen?

    Answer:
    This area was never truly jungle-like, but it was a lot wetter. There were lakes of great size just a few thousand years ago. Shifting weather patters and the melting of the glaciers resulted in the drying of the Sahara region. There just isn't enough moisture passing over the region, and there are no tall mountains to cause the rain in passing clouds to drop. Of course, you might then ask, what caused the glaciers to melt? Believe it or not, some of the reasons are tied to small wobbling in the orbit of the earth about the sun that affects how much sunlight hits the earth during the year. Anyway, climate and weather are in such a delicate balance that the only thing that you can be sure of is that it will change over thousands of years, and even quicker.

Della Montgomery's 2nd grade class
Morrisonville Elementary, Morrisonville, IL

  1. How do you plan to keep (preserve) the fossils now they are leaving the desert (environment)?

    Answer:
    First, jacket them in plaster (big ones), or wrap them gently and box them (small ones). Then we pack them into a huge metal cargo container that makes the journey by boat across the ocean, then by train across the USA to Chicago, and then to the laboratory by truck.

  2. How can you tell if you have found a baby dinosaur in a discovery or if it is an brand new species?

    Answer:
    Baby dinosaurs can be identified easiest if you find an adult nearby. The bones look very similar, but they are just a lot smaller. Here are also bone fusions that occur when a dinosaur becomes an adult. In fact, your bones are not all completely fused until after elementary school. Regarding new species, you need to know your dinosaur species and bones very well so that you can recognize a new species. It's bones will look different than any other so far known. It may be similar to another dinosaur - we expect that - but not exactly the same. In case we forget what some dinosaurs look like, we bring a big folder with hundreds of pictures of dinosaur bones into the field. It stays in our library tent.

  3. Why are there armed guards, are the fossils really, really valuable?

    Answer:
    Niger doesn't have enough gas to allow police to drive around all day like we typically have in the United States. Also, we are now quite famous here in Niger - sort of like a popular rock group. A lot of people know that we are here. Then you have to think about security, because you want to make sure nothing is missing. The guards stay in our camp when we are gone and sometimes travel with us.

  4. Why is the skull of a fossil the most important part of a discovery?

    Answer:
    The skull is the most delicate complicated part of the animal. It often tells ou the most information. For example, with the skull alone, you can tell what the animal ate and often what it's closest relatives are. With a toe bone, you would have more doubts. The skull is always the hardest part to find complete and attached to a skeleton, because it is so delicate. It is made of thin bones and teeth.

  5. Has the sand storms interfered much with your prospecting/exploring?

    Answer:
    So far, nope! That's partly because we planned the trip so we would not be in the desert when the wind is normally blowing hardest. The chance for a storm is greatest this month - November. That's why we started early and worked some of the sandiest areas first. We did get some bad wind, and a surprising amount of wind at camp 3 near Marandet. However, our tents withstood the storm and we continued working.

  6. Question from parent
    You have been very patient in your replies to the children, are you going to write a children's book about your experiences?

    Answer:
    Answering these questions really has been a lot of fun. I think that we will write several books from this electronic experience in the field. Many of those will be based on our conversations and on the stories and photographs we have posted to the website. Many thanks for your questions and for tuning in!

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